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Time to throw Turkey out of NATO and invite Russia to join?

Another day when the stupidity of our rulers is totally beyond belief:

We’ll never know the truth about Turkey shooting down the Russian plane. The only thing we can be sure of is that both sides will lie through their teeth. So we have to weigh up the stories coming from each side and decide which is most likely to be somewhere near the truth.

The picture below suggests that Russian jets bombing anti-Assad rebels on the front line near the Turkish border did have a habit of taking a shortcut over a small piece of Turkish territory:

Russian plane map

But the Russian jet was only over Turkey for around 17 seconds. So Turkey’s story that the Russian jet was warned 10 times to leave Turkish airspace before being attacked sounds ever so slightly implausible. Moreover, 17 seconds isn’t much time to scramble two Turkish fighters. So one should probably assume that the two Turkish planes were waiting for a Russian plane to enter that small piece of Turkish airspace so they could have an excuse for shooting it down.

So, what’s going on?

It seems as if there are three conflicting agendas for Syria.

1. Russia understands that to keep the peace in an *sl*mic hell-hole, you need a strong leader. So they’re backing Assad

2. The West, having learnt absolutely nothing from the disastrous overthrow of strong leaders in Iraq, Libya and Egypt, still blethers on about having a democratic government in Syria

3. Turkey is being turned from a modernising secular country into yet another backward, totalitarian, *sl*mic hell-hole by the piece of slime called President Erdogan. He wants Syria to be ruled by an *sl*mic dictatorship under Turkish influence

Then, of course, you have the issue that the only effective boots on the ground against ISIL are the Kurds and Turkey wants as many of them dead as possible to discourage Turkey’s 20 million Kurds thinking about independence

So, why was Turkey so hot and horny about wanting to give Russia a bloody nose? Because Russia was bombing Turkmen anti-Assad rebels, precisely the people Turkey supports to overthrow Assad.

The West’s reaction

With Turkey being a member of NATO, the West has to commit to taking Turkey’s side against Russia. So, we’re being dragged into supporting an increasingly oppressive, backward-looking, *sl*mic hell-hole against a much more civilised Russia.


What we should be doing is getting into bed with Russia against our common enemy – no not ISIL, but *sl*m. We should throw Turkey out of NATO. A backward *sl*mic hell-hole has no place in an organisation like NATO.  And we should invite Russia to join. But instead our rulers not only want to keep Turkey in NATO, but they also want to bring Turkey’s 74 million Allahu-Akhbar-screaming M*sl*m maniacs into the EU.


It’s *sl*m that is our enemy. Russia should be our friend. Why can’t our useless rulers understand this?

19 comments to Time to throw Turkey out of NATO and invite Russia to join?

  • right_writes

    “Russia understands that to keep the peace in an *sl*mic hell-hole, you need a strong leader.”

    I would say that having a strong leader is not a bad thing elsewhere David…

    I wish someone with the strength and resolve of Putin was strongly leading Britain. You won’t hear Putin coming out with guff like… “We are all in this together”….

    Shame about the hairy chest though.

  • Chris

    “If you’re willing to play the game it will be coming around again” (Carly Simon)

  • John Fields

    Mr. Putin is the world’s strongest leader. Apart from the leader in Hungary, the rest of
    Europe’s top people are jelly-babies, plus President Obama. These are not the people
    to combat Islam. By the way, those two Russian airmen must love the bastards on
    the ground who were firing at them as they drifted to earth.

  • Peter piper

    The reference to NATO below includes the UK , our military have always been a force of good until now.At the behest of David Cameron et al.
    Jim Sinclair. 24 nov 2015

    By now you have heard the news of a Russian fighter being shot down over Turkey. There are conflicting reports as to whether the plane was in Turkish or Syrian airspace. Another unknown is whether the plane was shot down from the air or ground. Also conflicting as to whether the pilots were dead prior to landing, or executed while parachuting down or after landing. Add to this the destruction of a Russian search helicopter by an anti tank “TOW”.

    The ramifications of these events are mind boggling to say the least. While sitting down to write this, a news conference between presidents Obama and Hollande is being televised. I do not want to diminish the horror of the recent attacks in Paris and Belgium but what just happened in Turkey is far more important for several reasons. Thankfully they received questions regarding the Russian shootdown (maybe they were not U.S. reporters doing the questioning?).

    Please understand, no matter how you look at the downing of the Russian fighter jet, “we” did it. Turkey is a member of NATO and the weapons used are of western origin. Turkey would never have done this without a green light given to them. They cannot even say “oops, our trigger finger slipped” as they claim to have warned the Russian fighter 10 times or more. The fact that the plane crashed on Syrian land shows even if they were in Turkish airspace, they were only a driver and pitching wedge across the border and on their way out. This genie cannot ever be put back in the bottle.

    Judging by President Putin’s immediate statements afterward, we can now look forward to some sort of retaliation. Most importantly, he claims “ISIS” has been selling oil into Turkey to fund their military operations. Is this true? I cannot prove or disprove it but the actions of war require funding and ISIS obviously has funding and “somehow” Western arms and munitions. No matter how you slice it, the West will now be seen in a different light both in current time and historically. I can only hope to God this does not spawn WWIII but am afraid this is exactly where it’s headed because episode pits the U.S. versus Russia directly.

    The following is how I see it, “in my opinion”. I believe this episode was no mistake and was fully planned. I think the “stress” on the Western financial system is coming to a full blown head and can no longer be hidden like the crazy aunt in the basement. As I have said all along, the collapse when it comes will need “cover” to hide the real and true cause. Starting a war with Russia even as unthinkable and unwinnable for anyone as it is will only serve to cover the foundational policy flaws of the Ponzi scheme.

    The West is patently broke. Our standard of living can no longer be “funded” with debt. The current negative swap rates I believe are evidence of a scarcity of collateral …the alternative being banks and brokers truly are a better credit risk than sovereign debt. We also know gold is in scarcity because the negative GOFO rates. If you look to COMEX registered inventories you will see they are almost gone and amount to 150,000 ounces heading into what is the biggest delivery month of the year. The list goes on and on but suffice it to say, no matter where you look you will see things financial and economic either in decline or collapsing. You need to “look” for yourself and past the “headlines” and BLS reportings to understand why “now”.

    I have long thought Russia and China had a “truth bomb” up their sleeve to be delivered by Mr. Putin. It has been my opinion he would expose many falsehoods and false flags over the years with hard evidence to back his claims. Now, should we be involved militarily against Russia much of what he has to deliver will be considered “propaganda” no matter how credible the evidence. Thank honest journalism for this.

    Another very “current event” is the upcoming meeting of the IMF to either include or exclude China from the SDR. This vote is scheduled for next Monday. Ask yourself, would the U.S. like China sitting at “their” table or would they prefer not? We will soon see the outcome but I believe the neocons have taken over Washington and would like to use anything possible (including war) as a way to cover the reality.

    A war at this point will kick the table over so to speak. It can be pointed at as a reason for the collapse of markets, the economy and a reason the Fed cannot even consider raising rates. I believe we will hear “our policies were working… but”. I also think a war would certainly be reason for “force majeure”, particularly in the gold and silver markets. How convenient would it be should the nonexistent inventory not have to meet the demand for delivery?

    Should war break out and gold move up hundreds of dollars, it can again be easily said “this would never have happened if it were not for the damned Russians”. A force majeure from the current levels would certainly solve the problem of how to cover the shorts used to create the current price. Collapsing financial markets will be “understood” by a population who wakes up each morning hoping to be “fooled for longer”.

    Unfortunately, what comes will arrive with or without a war. The American population will experience something they have not since 1945, shortages. The shortages will be blamed on anything but the real thing. If left on its own, foreigners not willing to accept dollars for trade will be the end result. Laugh at this if you want to but the world is craving “fair trade” where they get paid “something for something” as opposed to the never pay model currently in effect. The American public has just been served a very rotten Turkey for Thanksgiving. The timing in my opinion is anything but random!

  • Peter piper

    Marc Farmer of Bullion Management Group Inc.

    Well it looks as if we have arrived at the final phase of this slow-motion financial train wreck.

    With the heightening of geo-political chess-playing further clouding any vision of a quick resolution to the growing global economic malaise, we are now seeing severe stress cracks in the financial system appearing without warning. The unexpected events of volatility we have noticed appearing in the financial indexes of late (US, Japan, Europe) is a precursor to an extreme move that will signal that a positional economic change is now under way.

    Many of the experts mentioned in my previous emails have been warning for some time now that the financial system, as it currently stands, is in a precarious state of solvency given the extreme debt levels that have been built up globally since the 2008 crash. Cheap money for too long carries severe consequences and it is looking very much as though pay-back time is fast approaching.

    Although the news events promoted in the mainstream media create a sense of laissez-fair, and that all is under managed control, it behooves us to remain alert to the consequences of some of the actions that have recently unfolded and are now in the process of changing the landscape in which we live. Here are some of those points, too numerous to go into in detail but enough for an overview:

    Central banks around the world have no option but to continue printing money (which is debt) and this will eventually accelerate until all faith in the currency is lost and it returns to its intrinsic paper value of “0”. How long this actually takes is anybody’s guess but it will happen globally for all currencies and could happen very quickly. The transition to a new financial system seems cast in stone now with the Chinese Yuan being given the green light by the IMF to join the SDR system.
    One can now see the progression toward government and bank restrictions on the free movement of funds across borders. All it takes is these days is one well placed “terrorist act” or an unexpected financial crisis to have the government step in and restrict personal and financial freedoms (in the name of security). Just have a look at what Mr. Hollande did in France last week following their most recent and totally “unexpected” terrorist attack.
    Carrying cash has also become a liability when travelling in the USA as it can now be confiscated by the police for mere suspicion and cannot be retrieved without incurring significant personal expense and time. Banks will also file suspicious reports on you if you try to withdraw large sums in cash from your own account! Cash is being demonized by central banks and I expect that it will be eliminated soon in favor of a Bitcoin type of block-chain based system of transacting. (Several banks currently have their systems in beta testing). Bank runs can thus be avoided.
    As if that wasn’t enough, banks now have the legal right to appropriate their client’s deposits for relief if deemed necessary to preserve institution liquidity, (which it I expect will be deemed necessary in the near future). Governments will target pension funds and registered savings plans for liquidity purposes by imposing the requirement for fund managers to purchase government bonds. For those of you who have read Jim Sinclair you will recognize that he was advocating getting out of the financial system four years ago as the writing was on the wall then.
    The petro dollar is going away and signals the end of the USD reserve currency status. Russia and China together with a number of other nations have set up an alternative platform to the US based SWIFT international transacting system and many countries are now going direct instead of using US Dollars for trade. This trend has increased in intensity over the last six months.
    Massive migrations of refugees and displaced people are threatening to bankrupt many European nations. Civil unrest has broken out and inter border travel has now been restricted. Many countries are now discussing the deportation of unwelcomed migrants. The EU could collapse.
    Although nothing has yet triggered a black-swan event there are just too many floating around to ignore. Those who are controlling the global financial system have indeed managed to maintain a semblance of day-to-day stability in the system so far but the volatility of events betrays the picture of stability and may be a harbinger of difficult times ahead.

  • Tony Trent

    Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey’s President.

    Russia’s Sergey Lavrov is not one foreign minister known to mince his words. Just earlier today, 24 hours after a Russian plane was brought down by the country whose president three years ago said “a short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack”, had this to say: “We have serious doubts this was an unintended incident and believe this is a planned provocation” by Turkey.

    But even that was tame compared to what Lavrov said to his Turkish counterparty Mevlut Cavusoglu earlier today during a phone call between the two (Lavrov who was supposed to travel to Turkey has since canceled such plans).

    As Sputnik transcribes, according to a press release from Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Lavrov pointed out that, “by shooting down a Russian plane on a counter-terrorist mission of the Russian Aerospace Force in Syria, and one that did not violate Turkey’s airspace, the Turkish government has in effect sided with ISIS.”

    It was in this context when Lavrov added that “Turkey’s actions appear premeditated, planned, and undertaken with a specific objective.”

    More importantly, Lavrov pointed to Turkey’s role in the propping up the terror network through the oil trade. Per the Russian statement:

    “The Russian Minister reminded his counterpart about Turkey’s involvement in the ISIS’ illegal trade in oil, which is transported via the area where the Russian plane was shot down, and about the terrorist infrastructure, arms and munitions depots and control centers that are also located there.”
    Others reaffirmed Lavrov’s stance, such as retired French General Dominique Trinquand, who said that “Turkey is either not fighting ISIL at all or very little, and does not interfere with different types of smuggling that takes place on its border, be it oil, phosphate, cotton or people,” he said.

    The reason we find this line of questioning fascinating is that just last week in the aftermath of the French terror attack but long before the Turkish downing of the Russian jet, we wrote about “The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking” in which we asked who is the one “breaching every known law of funding terrorism when buying ISIS crude, almost certainly with the tacit approval by various “western alliance” governments, and why is it that these governments have allowed said middleman to continue funding ISIS for as long as it has?”

    Precisely one week later, in even more tragic circumstances, suddenly everyone is asking this question.

    And while we patiently dig to find who the on and offshore “commodity trading” middleman are, who cart away ISIS oil to European and other international markets in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars, one name keeps popping up as the primary culprit of regional demand for the Islamic State’s “terrorist oil” – that of Turkish president Recep Erdo?an’s son: Bilal Erdo?

  • Tony Trent

    Is that why Obama dropped leaflets on ISIS tankers telling the drivers to run away he knew who the drivers were?

    US Airforce Briefing.

    “Get Out Of Your Trucks And Run Away”: US Gives ISIS 45 Minute Warning On Oil Tanker Strikes

    In Al-Bukamal, we destroyed 116 tanker trucks, which we believe will reduce ISIL’s ability to transport its stolen oil products.

    This is our first strike against tanker trucks, and to minimize risks to civilians, we conducted a leaflet drop prior to the strike. We did a show of force, by — we had aircraft essentially buzz the trucks at low altitude.

    So, I do have copy of the leaflet, and I have got some videos, so why don’t you pull the leaflet up. Let me take a look at it so I can talk about it.

    As you can see, it’s a fairly simple leaflet, it says, “Get out of your trucks now, and run away from them.” A very simple message.

    And then, also, “Warning: airstrikes are coming. Oil trucks will be destroyed. Get away from your oil trucks immediately. Do not risk your life.”

    And so, these are the leaflets that we dropped — about 45 minutes before the airstrikes actually began. Again, we combine these leaflet drops with very low altitude passes of some of our attack aviation, which sends a very powerful message.

  • Tony Potts

    Even today our Traitor in chief is still rooting for Turkey.He is a liar no two ways about it.” No Ifs No buts.”

    David Cameron: Turkey has right to protect its airspace.

  • Tony Potts

    If we allow an other 70 Muslims into the EU from Turkey then what remains of nation states will all have to open Rape Centres for men, they have just opened the first in Sweden.

    Sweden opens world’s first rape centre exclusively for MALE victims of sexual violence
    Södersjukhuset hospital runs a walk-in clinic for women and girls.
    The hospital will now provide the same 24-hour care for men and boys.
    Bosses behind the service believe it could be the first in the world.

    Read more:

  • John Fields

    I have read some of the comments and they mention a World War 111 as if there will
    be people around afterwards. Readers should be totally aware that the next world
    war will be the last for it will leave a planet devoid of life.

  • Peter King

    The building economic crisis , the resurgence of Islam , the intentional havoc created in the Middle East , the millions of migrants being encouraged to settle in Western Europe is all part of a single plan .

    Eventually people like Soros will get what the wish for . The coming of a one world dictator its referenced in the Koran and predicted in the Bible. No one will be able to buy or sale without?

  • Peter King

    Revelation 13. 7

  • Andrew Eaves

    Myself and my wife are currently watching a live debate program similar to the format of question time via satellite from Moscow. It is interesting to learn from the discussions about Turkey that the Russian fighter aircraft was hit in the tail whilst flying in Syria air space and this will result in Mr. Putin (dare I say it – Mr. Putin is the one of two leaders, the other being the Hungarian leader whom sees some common sense and backs up words with physical action) taking decisive action against Turkey (my view – wait and see). Unlike other countries and of course America’s puppet Cammoron. And watch in disbelief whilst our European leaders can’t wait to incorporate Turkey into the doomed European club. If the UK stays in Europe which it probably will, due to talk but no decisive action, then we are all screwed.

  • Maturecheese

    Pretty much my sentiments too. Russia has more in common with us than a Muslim country like Turkey ever will and would be a very useful ally in the fight against Islamic terrorism.

  • Tony Potts

    story from La Stampa (translated):

    A load of about 800 shotguns, from Turkey to Germany, Holland and Belgium, has been discovered and seized by the Financial Police and the Customs at the Port of Trieste. The weapons of war were transported, without authorization, by a tractor-trailer driven by a Dutch citizen turkish. The cargo consisted of 781 shotguns model “Winchester SXP” from 12-51 cm, 66 shotguns “Winchester SXP” from 12-41 cm. 15 rifle and kicking.

    Tir had landed in Trieste on 23 November. The weapons were contained in hundreds of cardboard boxes, each of which containing a shotgun, all directed in Belgium. Given the peculiarities of the load, its origin and destination, the Financial Police and customs officials have declined to elaborate documentation. Although there were no irregularities of customs, it had not been requested permission to the authorities of public security for the transportation.

  • Fred The Shred

    For France, the wake-up call came in 2012, when Mohammed Merah, a petty criminal-turned-jihadist, killed seven people in a rampage targeting French servicemen and the Jewish community around Toulouse.
    His arsenal later turned to include a Kalashnikov and a Uzi submachine gun, prompting the French newspaper, Le Figaro, to ask: “How was he able to buy all these guns, like one buys yoghurts?”

    The answer was that he had not done so legally: in France, as in the rest of the European Union, automatic weapons like Kalashnikovs are already strictly forbidden.

    Instead, all Merah had to do was meet his contacts in the French underworld, which has a strong presence in France’s deprived immigrant banlieus as it is. According to Nic Marsh, a small arms expert at Oslo’s Peace Research Institute, some 4,000 machine guns are thought to be in circulation just in the banlieus alone.

    In the tough southern port city of Marseille, for example, Kalashnikovs have been used in dozens of drug-gang killings in the last five years, and were even fired at the city’s police chief during a visit to a crime-plagued housing estate in February.

    Was that how the Paris cell also got their Kalashnikovs? Right now, investigators are not saying. But given that several of the terrorists planned their operation from neighbouring Belgium, police may well be looking once again at a shabby back-street market behind Brussels’ main railway station, where Kalashnikovs are known to change hands for as little as £750.

  • Fred The Shred

    Turkey and the Hornet’s Nest
    Wed, Nov 25, 2015Chaosistan, Cold War 2.0, Phenomenon of Terrorism, Russia, TurkeyBy Ahmed RAJEEV (Bangladesh)

    Turkey and the Hornet’s Nest
    The West carefully avoids any diplomatic solution to the Middle Eastern conflict. The new undeclared US policy of “Chaos and Rule” is essentially an updated version of the British imperial “Divide and Rule” concept. We recently witnessed how the US fuelled the conflict in Ukraine to create an area of mistrust between Europe and Russia. We saw how the US and their hard core European political partners in Brussels facilitated huge influx of refugees to destabilize Europe. The consequent Paris attacks shocked Europe and put France and Belgium de facto at the front line against Europe-based jihadist guerrilla. And today we have seen that, Turkey, a NATO member country destroyed a Russian fighter jet in Syria in order to refuel regional conflict.
    Turkey is one the US-controlled neocolonial countries with a special mission in the paradigm of the “Arab Spring“. Turkish double game represents the US double game policy in the regional scale. They are supporting religious extremists like ISIL, Nusra, Jaish al Fatah to fight Kurds and to promote an imperialistic neo-Ottoman project in the Middle East. In recent disgraced elections which were supported by the West, Erdogan was entitled firm his presence in regional politics to serve the Western interests. Some political analysts pointed earlier that the US and some European countries are second hand buyers of those ISIL oils from Turkey. And ISIL as an illegal oil supplier was economically profitable for that US bloc, before the Russian AF started bombing of the ISIL oil fields, refinery and transportation objects. So, the US bloc was seeking an action against Russia to motivate their proxy forces. When a Russian passenger plane was bombed down in Sinai there were serious grounds to believe that the security holes in Sharm-ash-Sheikh airport were arranged by the professional operatives of a powerful subversive agency. And this time a NATO country takes the lead in a direct combat confrontation with Russia to show-off NATO power and to re-inspire fleeing jihadists in Syria.
    Meanwhile the lobbists in Washington (Neocons, US Military industrial complex, Israel and Saudi lobbies) are working hard to save Turkey from any possible Russian retaliation. It is now clear that yesterday’s Turkish crime was a well-coordinated NATO provocation.
    Most likely Erdogan will miss these moments soon (Turkish president at the opening of Grand Moscow Mosque, Sept 2015)
    Most likely Erdogan will miss these moments soon (Turkish president at the opening of Grand Moscow Mosque, Sept 2015)
    In previous years Russia came closer to Turkey. Many analysts argued that the Turkish Stream project would enrich bilateral relationship between the two countries. The world saw a number of friendly diplomatic and cultural Russian-Turkish exchanges and kind personal contacts between Putin and Erdogan. But as the Russian leader said, Turkey backstabbed Russia by shooting down a Russian jet. From Putin’s statement it was clear that Russia is deeply offended and disappointed. The thin political edge to be passed by the Russians in its anti-terrorist campaign lies between hurting the core Turkish interests and not allowing a wide-scale confrontation with NATO.
    By downing a Russian jet in Syrian airspace, the US bloc exhibits a clear provocation of war. This provocation of war has some deeper diplomatic consequences. Primarily, this act of provocation discards all previous multi-party deals (such as, Vienna and the UN negotiations) and sub-deals concerning Syria. Now, diplomacy is failed. But, this bloody event clears up confusions about who are real friends and foes of Russia. Although, this dangerous provocation by Turkey will also damage the European Union’s regional security policy and their NATO military alliance and activities around the globe. The growing racial and religious hatred which had erupted from the Paris attacks will gain momentum. The growing diplomatic distances between the West and Russia will be more polarized. And the Russia-proposed Turkish Stream will be cancelled as it happened to the South Stream. Meanwhile the White House and Wall Street would abtains more instruments to influence Anakara and push the entire situation in the Middle East forward according to the US geostrategic interests.
    The US doesn’t need any direct confrontation with Russia. Their regional neocolonial sttoges are there to execute the US plans. The West wants Russia’s long engagement in war so that the country will be economically weakened as it would be more vulnerable to the domestic political unrest.
    Back in October this year at the Valdai Discussion Club meeting Russian President said : “Fifty years ago, I learnt one rule in the streets of Leningrad: if the fight is inevitable, be the first to strike.” Today he knows that the fight is inevitable, it is time to strike first. But does he really know who the real enemy is? Where is the Hornet’s nest?

  • Jim Jones..

    The Geopolitical Future of the Petro Dollar & Gold
    november 18, 2015 by jay taylor
    F. William Engdhal is a returning guest on the radio program and Michael Oliver makes an appearance as a frequent contributor to the show.

    Since Nixon removed gold from the dollar in 1971, the dollar’s strength has been maintained by a U.S. military that has enforced the petroleum-based dollar for world trade. That has allowed the U.S. to print endless amounts of money used for military encroachment on Russian and Chinese sovereignty. Naturally that has elicited a reaction from both countries to the point where World War III is perhaps more likely now than during the Cold War.

    What few realize is that the base cause of this rising conflict is the threat to Russian and Chinese sovereignty made possible by U.S. dollar hegemony backed by U.S. and NATO military force. Meantime, the BRICS are building up gold reserves as the U.S. gold is mostly gone. How will this currency war play? No one is better equipped to opine on that topic than Engdhal. And no one is better equipped than Michael Oliver to opine on the near and intermediate term prospects for gold and the dollar.

  • Jim Jones..

    David Cameron says a campaign would not repeat the fate of the air strikes in Libya back in 2011 which brought the country to ruins. Are you buying that?

    PF: No way. Who is he to say? He talks about sending 70,000 opposition forces. By the way, at least 90 percent of those are jihadis – a slightly different persuasion from IS, but they are Islamist fundamentalists radicals supported by Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar. These are the people that he wants to put in place of Assad. These are the so-called moderates. We saw these moderates three nights ago on television when they downed the Russian plane, shot the pilot descending in his parachute and then pulling the corpse like hyenas. These are the moderates in the book of Mr. Cameron. That is no replacement for the responsible Syrian government that we need to see.

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